Instant level 50 or at least 40

#1
Hey, i know no one playing this game for leveling. Thats why all try to build level groups for performance. And max some classes over others. No one wanna waste time on leveling. There is nearly no content below 50 who is fun for anyone. There are Dungeons and instances for level 50. But below ist just the grind. no one likes it. No one is leveling for fun. All is about Power leveling etc because no one likes it.

The old players still have 5+ or most have more chars on 50...... But new players now get a level nerf with last patch.... every new player i showed the game was saying ah that leveling ist to slow and boring.

We play for RvR.... All people i know!

Just make a vote and we will see :)

Instant Level 20 / 40 / 50 or speed up Xping.... if you dont do Pbaoe xp Group it was waay to slow. So all was buying PL on the spots you now nerfed.... Even Pbaoe Grp You nerfed. I think no one likes this. Ask the Community before they leave.... Same with the Realm log in timer, why all want 4 hrs? Yes they do RvR. Not leveling.... no one likes Leveling.... We need faster Leveling.
Last edited by Hubert124567 on Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:46 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Re: Instant level 50 or at least 40

#4
Hubert124567 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:41 pm
Hey, i know no one playing this game for leveling. Thats why all try to build level groups for performance. And max some classes over others. No one wanna waste time on leveling. There is nearly no content below 50 who is fun for anyone. There are Dungeons and instances for level 50. But below ist just the grind. no one likes it. No one is leveling for fun. All is about Power leveling etc because no one likes it.

The old players still have 5+ or most have more chars on 50...... But new players now get a level nerf with last patch.... every new player i showed the game was saying ah that leveling ist to slow and boring.

We play for RvR.... All people i know!

Just make a vote and we will see :)

Instant Level 20 / 40 / 50 or speed up Xping.... if you dont do Pbaoe xp Group it was waay to slow. So all was buying PL on the spots you now nerfed.... Even Pbaoe Grp You nerfed. I think no one likes this. Ask the Community before they leave.... Same with the Realm log in timer, why all want 4 hrs? Yes they do RvR. Not leveling.... no one likes Leveling.... We need faster Leveling.
I mostly agree, leveling is boring and the only way to do it is powerlevel. It would be nice to give the opportunity to reach lvl 50, with some limits like you can do instant 50 to a maximum of other 2/3 chars if you already have a lvl 50 char.
And i would add more difficulty to get Realm Ranks and BP rewards, so RvR will need more time than exping. Now the absurd is that you can reach RR5 much easier than lvl 50 on some classes (Stealthers in particular)
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Re: Instant level 50 or at least 40

#5
Search the forum, we already "answered" this multiple times: There will be no instant level/rr on Phoenix.

On a sidenote, we had this during Beta and it was the time when the server had the lowest population ever (something like 150 players in total) where we had before a population of about 900 at the start of Beta and without any instant level/free rr.
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Re: Instant level 50 or at least 40

#6
Thanks for the answer Uthred, I do not know if this could hit the server population but I speak for my experience: I levelled my firts char to 50 using no powerlevel and almost soloing, following tasks and XP mob bonus (it's a BD). Since then I've levelled to 50 an healer and a thane, only with powerlevel groups, and I have a lvl40 Spiritmaster that I log only if there is a powerlevel group ready. So, to be brief, after my first 50 I don't have any will to level another char following tasks and so on, because it is just wasted time that I can spend in RvR. The only difference to my time logged (so as an active member of the server population) is that I do RvR rather than exping, and that's because I already have lvl 50 chars ready to be used in frontier (absurdly the only one that is not ready is the very first char, the Bonedancer, because I use it only in PvE for now). Thats why I suggested that if there is a lvl 50 toon already it could be possible to skip levelling for a maximum of other 2 or 3 chars, of course not unlimited because it would be ridicolous to have dozens of lvl50 chars for free.
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Re: Instant level 50 or at least 40

#7
Hubert124567 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:41 pm
Ask the Community before they leave....
I think they will not leave, because they have lvl 50 anyway :)

As for the new players, playing a week to get lvl 50 isn't too much to ask to players whom we expect will then commit to the server and the rest of the community.
This isn't just how many lvl 50 you have, it is also, how good you play them, how familiar you are to group with other people, the survivability you get with proper equipment and realm rank.

I personally don't want to go rvr with people screwing it all because they have 100 toons level 50 rr1 that they don't know how to play. The leveling phase gives just enough time for that : learn the basics of your toons, its abilities, how it fits in a group, get equipment, some money to invest in temped SC, a couple RR to start at 50 with the rights RA, etc.

How someone who is not ready to spend minimal time to level and stuff his toon can be a trusted teammate for his team/guild/realm to progress ? I don't want someone who'll leave after 1st wipe because it's too hard, dumping his group, or who will roll another class because he thinks that will be easier or stronger etc. But this is may be just me.

Re: Instant level 50 or at least 40

#8
Lipsi wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:31 pm
Hubert124567 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:41 pm
Ask the Community before they leave....
I think they will not leave, because they have lvl 50 anyway :)

As for the new players, playing a week to get lvl 50 isn't too much to ask to players whom we expect will then commit to the server and the rest of the community.
This isn't just how many lvl 50 you have, it is also, how good you play them, how familiar you are to group with other people, the survivability you get with proper equipment and realm rank.

I personally don't want to go rvr with people screwing it all because they have 100 toons level 50 rr1 that they don't know how to play. The leveling phase gives just enough time for that : learn the basics of your toons, its abilities, how it fits in a group, get equipment, some money to invest in temped SC, a couple RR to start at 50 with the rights RA, etc.

How someone who is not ready to spend minimal time to level and stuff his toon can be a trusted teammate for his team/guild/realm to progress ? I don't want someone who'll leave after 1st wipe because it's too hard, dumping his group, or who will roll another class because he thinks that will be easier or stronger etc. But this is may be just me.
Usually you would be right, but as I see it now it is only powerlevel, and that does not give you any hint about using your toon (maybe if you are the one who stuns the mob mass to be shredded by bombs). So, I completely agree that the first toon must be levelled from 1 to 50, but the others? Why should I spend time levelling while I could use it to go in Frontier? It is very similar to giving the crafting skill to every realm toon in the account, if you think about it. It is done just to save time, not to exploit something and so on, and it would be the best solution to powerlevel issues (no... giving a snare cast to Redcaps is NOT a solution for powerlevel issues!)
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Re: Instant level 50 or at least 40

#9
I am not in favor of instant-levels (and staff has ruled it out anyways), but "learning your toon" really doesn't happen while you are levelling...

i just levelled a few new chars, that i haven't touched since SI-release.

One was an Animist, i have no idea what ARB-line offers, i don'T even really know what creep offers, most of what i did for 50levels was plunk main-pet down, pull with an instant-debuff and bomb. I don't even know what the debuff debuffed, because it didn't matter (i checked ingame a few times, but simply forgot again).
Animist was never planned to RvR though

Second example is Bard....and holy hell, i know that levelling that one taught me NOTHING About the class at all. I was either solo, where i had a spec mixed of music for the DD and blunt for meleedamage.
In groups i was fullheal/buff.
I didn't learn about mezzing, amnesia or that songs go out if i switch to weapon to snare someone. I didn't even snare anyone in 50levels.


Levelling teaches you basic controls, camera movement, etc.... not more

Re: Instant level 50 or at least 40

#10
Uthred wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:01 pm
Search the forum, we already "answered" this multiple times: There will be no instant level/rr on Phoenix.

On a sidenote, we had this during Beta and it was the time when the server had the lowest population ever (something like 150 players in total) where we had before a population of about 900 at the start of Beta and without any instant level/free rr.
Hey, Thanks for poiting this out. Maybe its because i play this game since beta and have years of /played. My first lvl 50 char had 30-40 days of /played....
Like on live, a /level 20 for people who already have a lvl 50 character is a good thing. You barely find groups under 20 depends on daytime and timezone...

I think the last changes are a bit more towards 2 class system. We have the old ones with all money from cheap hoh runs. with all chars on 50 and RR from realm task from lvl 1 etc.... and now its getting nerfed for new players. Level slower and making harder to farm feathers. If someone has about an evening per week to play and wanna start rvring. You need farm char, you ned grp char etc. and then after a few months you can go rvr. What new player will struggle through that pain ? without knowing the reward of rvr fun ....

In the end its gonna die with 8 players per realm who realize okay its not that fun to only fight with one enemy grp with the same rr. That noob farming zergs times was fun too ... oh wait no one wanna play with us because they at first need to level 4 months to get ganked from us... yeah but we work so hard for this dont give them a shit , they have to struggle like we did. We had put so much efford in it we have to be the elite, even alone. But its no fun alone. Be the one is what counts.
Even if there is no one else as long as you are the number one.

We need do attract new people with low entry borders for new players!

Why you wanna bind people for weeks in pve (leveling) if they can better be part of the rvr/endgame content in this time and help all people to have more fun in Rvr or endgame content. Or all go leveling, where most of the time no one has fun. And you have to be on a special meta or you have to go solo. And solo is a pain grind and nothing else.
If you want that people just level with any other class and dont play a special meta: make leveling easy. even without 3 bombs. Why all play this setup. Because its faster and result is: less pain. Maybe a time based approach. If a 8 slot group is killing mobs and not is afk, give them a level per 30 mins (in xp) or so. Dont depend on mob count and special fast killing pbae special meta grp. just be together and level for fun with all classes and it will be okay. We all level to get to rvr. but maybe it can be fun, even without 3 bombs or that special pet pull mechanic.... whatever. I hope the casuals will be okay with the recent nerfs.