Re: Savage vs VW

I main Hibernia, but have played each class in the past.

Valewalker and Savage are both solid melee dps, with savage being the highest melee dps in the game.

The pros of Savages are they have extremely high burst damage, especially killing casters, and having the ability to swap between thrust and slash damage depending on your target. They also make the most use of passive damage RAs like MoPain due to how often they hit, and with triple and quad hits.

The cons are Savages are not considered dual wield classes for the purposes of defense penetration, the way Bezerkers are with Left Axe spec. So when Savages are up against a defensive group comp that includes Shield Spec Chars like Armsman/Pally, or Hero/Champ, their dmg gets nullified pretty quick.

VW are also strong, but for different reasons. They have the highest single target style dmg in the game, and even though they do not get Stoicism here, they do get access to Determination, and with your casted range lifetaps, even when rooted, you can still interrupt and do damage. Self Disease is also huge in melee comps, and as part of the assist train, VW tend to be MA more often than even Blademasters.

The cons of Valewalkers is when their self haste is down, Pulsing Blade turn can really mess up their side combo, and lack of being able to use one handed weapons here makes popping bubbles more detrimental to your overall dps.

Both classes run well in Strict Melee, Hybrid, or Caster groups, though more favored of course in Strict Melee.

Hope this helps, and that more players answer in the thread. Im sure there is a lot more to add to this.

Cheers
-Exo

Re: Savage vs VW

Noashakra wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 10:59 AM
Also on pro for the VW is that it's a really strong solo class, when the savage is maybe the worst melee to solo with.

if you are lucky you can 2 shot assassins but on the long run you are right.

the worst melee class is warden imo cant kill anything
Horg solo Hunter Einherjar Lone Enforcer ~42,8% solo kills
Eik solo Shadowblade Flammen Fru ~50% solo kills

newest project: Gael SlaveKnight rr4 Infiltrator (atm 52% solo kills )

Quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respice finem.

Re: Savage vs VW

inoeth wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 11:46 AM
Noashakra wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 10:59 AM
Also on pro for the VW is that it's a really strong solo class, when the savage is maybe the worst melee to solo with.

if you are lucky you can 2 shot assassins but on the long run you are right.

the worst melee class is warden imo cant kill anything

Sadly, I am not sure you can even call the Warden a melee class here on Phoenix.

Re: Savage vs VW

Trying to compete as a Warden in the frontier is like...
...being a 12-year old Kid, armed with (...mom's spaghetti...) wet noodles and a fancy cape over his shoulders; making kewl fighting sounds as he runs around in front of his parents house, and as such trying to participate in an intergalactic Warfare with spaceships that possess laser cannons, that can obliterate entire planets.

Re: Savage vs VW

inoeth wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 11:46 AM
Noashakra wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 10:59 AM
Also on pro for the VW is that it's a really strong solo class, when the savage is maybe the worst melee to solo with.

if you are lucky you can 2 shot assassins but on the long run you are right.

the worst melee class is warden imo cant kill anything

But you can't die either :p

Re: Savage vs VW

Hi , i got a rr6 savage.

With savage , you just hit hard on casters.
Savage got a low melee penetration , on phoenix it is lower than official server. You will have the lowest melee penetration of the game in fact.
In rvr , a bard can bloc 20% of your hits....
Multi hits are lower here than official too.

Actually VW are OP .The side combo with a slow scythe hit for 1000 damages on casters/stealth without crit.
The only good think for the savage is determination. VW is better for all others sides of the game. (solo / life drain / damage on others targets than casters )

Have fun

Re: Savage vs VW

Noashakra wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 12:40 PM
inoeth wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 11:46 AM
Noashakra wrote:
Tue 8 Jun 2021 10:59 AM
Also on pro for the VW is that it's a really strong solo class, when the savage is maybe the worst melee to solo with.

if you are lucky you can 2 shot assassins but on the long run you are right.

the worst melee class is warden imo cant kill anything

But you can't die either :p

pretty much dies to anything here, on live he is unkillable
Horg solo Hunter Einherjar Lone Enforcer ~42,8% solo kills
Eik solo Shadowblade Flammen Fru ~50% solo kills

newest project: Gael SlaveKnight rr4 Infiltrator (atm 52% solo kills )

Quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respice finem.