Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

stewbeedoo wrote:
Wed 20 Nov 2019 1:49 AM
Dadbodosteel wrote:
Wed 20 Nov 2019 12:14 AM
The main problem with the Hunter and scout is the pitiful bow damage. My ranger can jack up most classes from range before engaging in melee, the Hunter on the other hand feels like I'm tickling them. When it comes to melee, the Hunter hits hard but swings Soo slow compared to the others and the Dodge rate against stealthers screws you. There was a time on live where hunter pets snared and they were Kings of kiting, something along those lines need to be added to the Hunter class. Make it an ra with a cooldown so they don't have an I win pet constantly, not that it's that hard to kill a hunter pet anyways.

Pretty sure that Archery is the same for all 3 classes - Hunters are at no disadvantage for Bow damage.

Archery dmg comes mainly from the bow speed, being Hunters have fast bows there is a difference in dmg. Then add the DA

Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

gromet12 wrote:
Wed 20 Nov 2019 11:53 AM
stewbeedoo wrote:
Wed 20 Nov 2019 1:49 AM
Dadbodosteel wrote:
Wed 20 Nov 2019 12:14 AM
The main problem with the Hunter and scout is the pitiful bow damage. My ranger can jack up most classes from range before engaging in melee, the Hunter on the other hand feels like I'm tickling them. When it comes to melee, the Hunter hits hard but swings Soo slow compared to the others and the Dodge rate against stealthers screws you. There was a time on live where hunter pets snared and they were Kings of kiting, something along those lines need to be added to the Hunter class. Make it an ra with a cooldown so they don't have an I win pet constantly, not that it's that hard to kill a hunter pet anyways.

Pretty sure that Archery is the same for all 3 classes - Hunters are at no disadvantage for Bow damage.

Archery dmg comes mainly from the bow speed, being Hunters have fast bows there is a difference in dmg. Then add the DA

Are you saying Hunters don't have access to 5.5 Spd Bows? What is their speed?
Currently soloing on: Stewpidity Ranger, Stewdabaker Chanter, Stewthanasia Champ

Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

stewbeedoo wrote:
Thu 21 Nov 2019 2:17 AM
gromet12 wrote:
Wed 20 Nov 2019 11:53 AM
stewbeedoo wrote:
Wed 20 Nov 2019 1:49 AM
Pretty sure that Archery is the same for all 3 classes - Hunters are at no disadvantage for Bow damage.

Archery dmg comes mainly from the bow speed, being Hunters have fast bows there is a difference in dmg. Then add the DA

Are you saying Hunters don't have access to 5.5 Spd Bows? What is their speed?

5.0 is the slowest possible for hunters

Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

lol.
ok, beside that I can not tell if archers on this server are trash in comparison to other server and I do not care but this is really funny.
Shortee wrote:
Tue 19 Nov 2019 2:31 AM
I played live, played uthgard and now phoenix. Every time its the same thing. Players laugh at how gimped hunters are. Its a wonder that game devs don't see this because everyone playing seems to agree. On live, hunters were useless. On uthgard hunters were useless. Now here on phoenix its just the same thing. Its very depressing because I don't group, run into nightshades, infiltrators, rangers and scouts and die everytime- yes EVERYTIME. hunters die to easily. Its not hard to figure out but I guess it must be hard to fix because no server has successfully "balanced" the classes. The only good thing i see here is it only took me 3 months to find out this time instead of 10! thanks for the attempt phoenix but until the classes are truly balanced - this game will be nothing but a waste of time and depressing. Anyone that says they're fine how they are is either someone that never played a solo hunter or someone that wants hunters to remain easy kills.
You really needed 3 months to find out that hunters(archers) are trash in this game? GZ on ignoring all this spam in advice/region and on this forum. Great whine post.

PS. Can I have your stuff plz?

easytoremember wrote: Why is every other thread title in Suggestions melodramatic tripe
Probably to get more clicks? Would probably not read a thread which has a reasonable suggestion with objective arguments in it.

edit: It makes it more funny when all these whines about scouts, to which you are dying all the time, come into my mind.

Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

As someone who has played hunter on Live, Uthgard and Genesis/Origins, I can say that it is incredibly difficult to play a hunter here. With the HP increase, bow damage has been effectively nerfed. Spear damage is decent, but you swing so slow (always have a pet out vs an opponent, it cuts their evade rate by 10%).

Assassins are insanely overpowered on this server, and while others in this thread tell all archers are gimped, scouts have very useful shield slam and block rate, and rangers have crazy melee damage with duel wield.

What hunters need is an attack speed reduction off one move (instead of off evade chain + 2) to counter the assasins crazily overpowered weapon skill debuff and whatever that str/con debuff is that knocks off 500 of my hitpoints when I fight them.

The hunter's dog should also proc disease, that would at least balance hunters vs other classes.

Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

alrdy 3 pages and i didnt find this thread yet....

ok first of all hunters are not that bad! in fact they are in a very good position on this server right now.
but there are some things that are important to compete in stealther battle.

-forget bow spec
-slowest weapons are good is a myth
-forget sword spec


so what does that mean?
specwise is suggest something like this

42bc
27 bow
35 stealth
47 spear

you need a high melee spec to do any dmg and to also be able to reduce evade a little bit, but with your pet you are able to reduce assassins evade to ~28% anyway.
you only need your bow for critshot and finishing, rapid fire is totally useless and a waste of spec points.
high bc for red shield, yellow dex/quick and ofc highest pet.

dont bother too much about RAs like mastery of arms, it wont help you very much. better get ROG spears with 3.9 and 4.3 speed and get close to 250 quick.
use attack speed reduce styles like perforate and extended reach.
use dex/quick debuff charges.

its important to have as much HP as possible so i suggest to take the dwarf race as hunter (also eyepatch helps alot)
toughness RA is your friend.
IP3-4 is you friend.

get a crafted vest with DA proc besides TG vest for switching during fights, so you can have DA without charging it. its far more important to dex/quick debuff enemys.
dont use legions heart its a waste (only 120 heal with desease)

if you have more questions feel free to write me a pm or call me in game (horg)
Horg solo rr9 Hunter Lone Enforcer
Keriala solo rr6 Ranger
Eik solo rr6 Shadowblade
Ean solo rr4 Paladin

Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

inoeth wrote:
Mon 2 Dec 2019 12:22 PM
alrdy 3 pages and i didnt find this thread yet....

ok first of all hunters are not that bad! in fact they are in a very good position on this server right now.
but there are some things that are important to compete in stealther battle.

-forget bow spec
-slowest weapons are good is a myth
-forget sword spec


so what does that mean?
specwise is suggest something like this

42bc
27 bow
35 stealth
47 spear

you need a high melee spec to do any dmg and to also be able to reduce evade a little bit, but with your pet you are able to reduce assassins evade to ~28% anyway.
you only need your bow for critshot and finishing, rapid fire is totally useless and a waste of spec points.
high bc for red shield, yellow dex/quick and ofc highest pet.

dont bother too much about RAs like mastery of arms, it wont help you very much. better get ROG spears with 3.9 and 4.3 speed and get close to 250 quick.
use attack speed reduce styles like perforate and extended reach.
use dex/quick debuff charges.

its important to have as much HP as possible so i suggest to take the dwarf race as hunter (also eyepatch helps alot)
toughness RA is your friend.
IP3-4 is you friend.

get a crafted vest with DA proc besides TG vest for switching during fights, so you can have DA without charging it. its far more important to dex/quick debuff enemys.
dont use legions heart its a waste (only 120 heal with desease)

if you have more questions feel free to write me a pm or call me in game (horg)

So your solution is to play a gimp melee stealther because it’s 2hand melee and relay on high rr and ip3 to fight low rr assassins and casters, instead of fixing the main weapon of the archetype?

Why not roll SB and forget LA spec, you would do more damage and have it easier than a hunter as a 2handed SB. Yes hunters will have slightly higher base dmg if all is the same (patch 1.5x if that is live here or not I’m not sure tbh) but the SB gets better stealth (QOL for Phoenix sneaks except for archers), envenom debuffs, DOT dmg, and CS styles have higher GR and pop bubbles.

Re: I had hope when I read that phoenix 'balanced' the classes

gromet12 wrote:
Wed 4 Dec 2019 6:31 PM
inoeth wrote:
Mon 2 Dec 2019 12:22 PM
alrdy 3 pages and i didnt find this thread yet....

ok first of all hunters are not that bad! in fact they are in a very good position on this server right now.
but there are some things that are important to compete in stealther battle.

-forget bow spec
-slowest weapons are good is a myth
-forget sword spec


so what does that mean?
specwise is suggest something like this

42bc
27 bow
35 stealth
47 spear

you need a high melee spec to do any dmg and to also be able to reduce evade a little bit, but with your pet you are able to reduce assassins evade to ~28% anyway.
you only need your bow for critshot and finishing, rapid fire is totally useless and a waste of spec points.
high bc for red shield, yellow dex/quick and ofc highest pet.

dont bother too much about RAs like mastery of arms, it wont help you very much. better get ROG spears with 3.9 and 4.3 speed and get close to 250 quick.
use attack speed reduce styles like perforate and extended reach.
use dex/quick debuff charges.

its important to have as much HP as possible so i suggest to take the dwarf race as hunter (also eyepatch helps alot)
toughness RA is your friend.
IP3-4 is you friend.

get a crafted vest with DA proc besides TG vest for switching during fights, so you can have DA without charging it. its far more important to dex/quick debuff enemys.
dont use legions heart its a waste (only 120 heal with desease)

if you have more questions feel free to write me a pm or call me in game (horg)

So your solution is to play a gimp melee stealther because it’s 2hand melee and relay on high rr and ip3 to fight low rr assassins and casters, instead of fixing the main weapon of the archetype?

Why not roll SB and forget LA spec, you would do more damage and have it easier than a hunter as a 2handed SB. Yes hunters will have slightly higher base dmg if all is the same (patch 1.5x if that is live here or not I’m not sure tbh) but the SB gets better stealth (QOL for Phoenix sneaks except for archers), envenom debuffs, DOT dmg, and CS styles have higher GR and pop bubbles.

why roll these lame ass archers classes at all?????