Re: @ all the archers that qq because they sux

#23
rofl at the guy who said " t takes atleast 4 shots to kill someone QQ*

and the first 2 is out of the random blue in like 1 second, 2nd hits before they realsie being hit, 2 more shots u can squeak out in what 3 seconds of time ? you out range the unruly god out of everybody, you can keep re go in stealth

you cant manage to pop 4-5 shots on someone as you getting the surprise jump randomly at will ? ooof, perhaps its time to find a new class, perhaps a buffbot

don't ever go play an archer on live, the ability to drop people on archer here compared to there is unreal^^ lol


but yeah assasin would be tuff for them here because the 60% respamable snare on their anytime style is ridiculous, and disease poison theres no way of getting away from it, is like the hardest char for my shaman to fight, theres no escapeing that shit, unless I ichor and purge and strafe out quick as shit before they swing again and hope their purge is down ! lol ;\

(least solo, if in duo or something fk them snares melees pop and go 1 the other archer blasts they ass tuff, and u freely farm on most visis, unless you just shoot and stand there like an idiot waiting for them to come kill you with your crappy weapon out or something dumb lols)
Slopywiggles rr6 Shaman

Re: @ all the archers that qq because they sux

#24
kill my shaman in like 4 shots to, in chain armor, stealthers will die in less, visi melees just the same and have to run to you, and 4 shots ya just cant hang ? cant make it happen ? lol

so 4 shots is to tuff to get off, so you want to 2-3 shot ? you want casters to die before their quickcast even goes off if they instantly react ?

you want melee to be 25% hp before u even appear on screen out of stealth and they can hit face ?

oh I see you want to 4 shot them with bow, but if they get to you, you wanna dominate them in melee to ? ahs lol

1 day we have to realise we suck and stop qq about our problems and start making shit happen

cuz make no mistake as you qq, the heavyweights are hola'in bang bang when they come thro
Slopywiggles rr6 Shaman

Re: @ all the archers that qq because they sux

#25
I can't really say what is going on with the OP...I don't know what spells were up or armor quality etc..

But...
In case anyone is curious, here is a log of 67 bow, 48 PF, 370 dex, 5.5 speed MP bow vs training dummy. Master of Arch 5, FE 8

Crit shot 607, reg shot 303. That is not too diff from what I see against most RvR targets. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.

1st shot is rapid fire bubble break in the real world. So starting from when I become visible 19:08:36 to 19:08:49 (13 seconds)
I did:

1516 bow dmg . Now you can see there is dmg add in there and a lucky DoT proc + my crits due to high FE. for an additional 421

19:08:33] You switch to rapid fire mode!
[19:08:34] You prepare your shot (1.5s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:34] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:36] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 152 (-53) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
[19:08:36] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 14 extra damage!
[19:08:36] You prepare your critical shot (3.7s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:37] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:37] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:40] You prepare your critical shot (3.7s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:40] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 607 (-213) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
[19:08:40] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 29 extra damage!
[19:08:40] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 44 damage!
[19:08:40] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:40] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:43] You prepare your shot (3.1s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:43] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 303 (-106) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
You critically hit Training Dummy Level 50 for an additional 125 damage! (Crit Chance: 37%)
[19:08:43] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 28 extra damage!
[19:08:43] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:43] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:44] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 40 damage!
[19:08:46] You prepare your shot (3.1s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:46] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 303 (-106) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
[19:08:46] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 30 extra damage!
[19:08:46] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:47] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:48] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 25 damage!
[19:08:49] You prepare your shot (3.1s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:49] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 303 (-106) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
You critically hit Training Dummy Level 50 for an additional 196 damage! (Crit Chance: 37%)

Re: @ all the archers that qq because they sux

#26
Horus wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:24 pm
I can't really say what is going on with the OP...I don't know what spells were up or armor quality etc..

But...
In case anyone is curious, here is a log of 67 bow, 48 PF, 370 dex, 5.5 speed MP bow vs training dummy. Master of Arch 5, FE 8

Crit shot 607, reg shot 303. That is not too diff from what I see against most RvR targets. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.

1st shot is rapid fire bubble break in the real world. So starting from when I become visible 19:08:36 to 19:08:49 (13 seconds)
I did:

1516 bow dmg . Now you can see there is dmg add in there and a lucky DoT proc + my crits due to high FE. for an additional 421

19:08:33] You switch to rapid fire mode!
[19:08:34] You prepare your shot (1.5s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:34] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:36] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 152 (-53) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
[19:08:36] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 14 extra damage!
[19:08:36] You prepare your critical shot (3.7s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:37] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:37] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:40] You prepare your critical shot (3.7s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:40] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 607 (-213) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
[19:08:40] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 29 extra damage!
[19:08:40] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 44 damage!
[19:08:40] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:40] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:43] You prepare your shot (3.1s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:43] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 303 (-106) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
You critically hit Training Dummy Level 50 for an additional 125 damage! (Crit Chance: 37%)
[19:08:43] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 28 extra damage!
[19:08:43] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:43] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:44] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 40 damage!
[19:08:46] You prepare your shot (3.1s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:46] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 303 (-106) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
[19:08:46] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 30 extra damage!
[19:08:46] You will now automatically release your shot.
[19:08:47] You will now automatically release your shot and reload.
[19:08:48] You hit Training Dummy Level 50 for 25 damage!
[19:08:49] You prepare your shot (3.1s to fire , target is in range)
[19:08:49] You shoot Training Dummy Level 50 with your shimmering duskwood Heavy Recurve Bow and hit for 303 (-106) damage! (Damage Modifier: 1693)
You critically hit Training Dummy Level 50 for an additional 196 damage! (Crit Chance: 37%)
What are the training dummys suppose to simulate in terms of armor? That looks like really gimp damage.. Not really what I've experienced with my toons though. Two days ago I was getting critical shot during a siege for 800 by a hunter.
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Re: @ all the archers that qq because they sux

#28
Horus wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:38 pm
Sepplord wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:21 am
Exactly, but too many meleerangers/hunters brigade every proposition that buffs archery at cost of their precious melee

Look around the stealther-threads...the majority believes that assassins being stronger than archers in melee is a problem. Which is mindboggling but somehow the way it is
Things are a bit out of whack. You can be a successful melee class specing a certain way on a ranger and hunter (and possibly scout), but it is debatable that you can be a successful ranged class.

Success in this case as defined as getting solo ranged kills against equal level opponents.

An archer can successfully get RPs by getting a few together and /groundassisting volley against other BGs or adding on to fights... but I think many who chose the class did so because they prefer to be the unseen solo stealther killing at range with the downside of being weak in melee. That reality does not exists. Just the way things are. The traditional archetype of the archer class is just not viable here. Too many mitigating factors working against that ranged sniper play style.

I am currently 67 (50+17) bow, 370 dex (396 when I get red base dex), using a MP 5.5 speed bow, Falcon Eye 8. I bet there are few on the server specced to do more ranged bow dmg than me. But to do that I have sacrificed any semblance of melee. Even defending a keep when specced "all in" for ranged dmg it is quite hard to get solo kills. It takes at least 4 shots (more often 5 or more) to kill a squishy caster target (one to break bubble, one crit, and 3 reg shots). Heal pots, legion heart, ...just can't put enough DPS downrange fast enough to get the kill before they are out of range or you are interrupted (unless they are asleep).
Another Archer can't even kill my Ranger with a bow if I'm not AFK. Even with shit defense and the worst abilities to control a ranged fight amongst the Archer classes it's too easy to survive a single Archer's ranged attack. After the 1st or 2nd arrow I've already swapped to an unspecced (but still very effective) small shield, and either closed the distance and /use DD'ed them, put some distance between us, or found hard cover. Too damn easy.
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Re: @ all the archers that qq because they sux

#29
borodino1812 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:59 pm
Ardri wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:41 pm
Horus wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:38 pm


I am currently 67 (50+17) bow, 370 dex (396 when I get red base dex), using a MP 5.5 speed bow, Falcon Eye 8. I bet there are few on the server specced to do more ranged bow dmg than me. But to do that I have sacrificed any semblance of melee. Even defending a keep when specced "all in" for ranged dmg it is quite hard to get solo kills. It takes at least 4 shots to kill a squishy caster target (one to break bubble, one crit, and 3 reg shots). Heal pots, legion heart, ...just can't put enough DPS downrange fast enough to get the kill before they are out of range or you are interrupted (unless they are asleep).
Pro tip: longshot breaks bubble
Not for critshot here.
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