Re: Keep camping

#21
Also as a side note, i'd love to know what camping a keep for 4 or so hours adding on ever fight possible actually brings to the game for you to so vehemently go for me other than it's their choice. Wouldn't you want more as well ?
You said my posts are full of I do this so should others, yet that assumption means you're glossing over the facts i'm trying to ram home. I could assume you run around small manning soloers all day long and potentially being like PK, but I do not. Just think it's silly we got NF to open up to a larger area with less chokes, and end up with pretty much the same thing just instead of stuffing we have a bit of gravy instead.
I stated everyone gets to chose how to play, regardless of it if baffles me or not and wanting to see some motivation so some players actually move away from a keep into the vast world we have to play in.

Re: Keep camping

#22
Chopsticks wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:52 pm
Also as a side note, i'd love to know what camping a keep for 4 or so hours adding on ever fight possible actually brings to the game for you to so vehemently go for me other than it's their choice. Wouldn't you want more as well ?
You said my posts are full of I do this so should others, yet that assumption means you're glossing over the facts i'm trying to ram home. I could assume you run around small manning soloers all day long and potentially being like PK, but I do not. Just think it's silly we got NF to open up to a larger area with less chokes, and end up with pretty much the same thing just instead of stuffing we have a bit of gravy instead.
I stated everyone gets to chose how to play, regardless of it if baffles me or not and wanting to see some motivation so some players actually move away from a keep into the vast world we have to play in.
Personally i enjoy keep camping. Moreso on my stealther, whether its a defend or attack keep, then the design itself basically lends to this happening. Its the DAoC version of chumming the water and wondering why all the sharks show up. Its simple, thats where the action is. I can give "my persepective and my opinion on why i keep camp". Maybe that will help you understand it from my perspective. While it may differ from yours, your original statement was that you do not understand why people do it... where here goes:

1. I personally voted OF over NF. My reasoning was that i came from Live, and while i knew the platform and the maps and such, i also knew that changing from OF to NF was just moving the camp spots. It was going to move from camping milegates to camping keeps. At least with milegates, you had to move between x, to y, to z. Now with open port you can simply port to a keep to defend it.. which works out wonderfully for me.
2. If i choose to solo, it is not going to be on a speed class. Mainly its going to be on a stealther. Again... if i am a shark, why would i want to leave the feeding area? If i was a stat chaser who wanted 15k solo kills i could go camp an xp spot and pad my numbers.
3. I i choose to small man, i'm at a slight disadvantage. There are the elite groups (we all know who they are, who had the time and patience to play specific toons for a good long time and have thus padded their rr and abilities. Why would i want to drag my small man out time after time and feed them more rps? You may have ideas on how to avoid that, but so i do I. I put my back against a friendly wall and run screaming when i see those groups, hoping to take one of them with me even if i die, but if i cannot, i hope to annoy the piss out of them by hoping back into my friendly keep with 1% life remaining.

Today's DAoC is a lot different that it was for me 17 years ago. 17 years ago, i wasnt working nearly as much as i am now, i wasnt a father of two, i had WAY more time to effectively go out and roam and do more hunting. Fast forward to today. I play maybe 2 hours a night, i afk a lot if the kids need me, or even if they want dad to come watch a show with them. Gaming is not even secondary anymore... its waaaaay down the list.

So theres "my" reason. Its easy. I won't get farmed nearly as much. The gm's promote it via the bonus system. Instant action. I'm sincerely apologetic if it doesnt suit your playstyle, but i'm fine with you playing your style. Without knowledge of how it actually is. Would i like it? who knows. I may despise it, but i'd never try to keep you from playing it. Its hard enough keeping the population we have now... enjoy and play on!

Re: Keep camping

#23
Sleepwell wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:44 pm
Chopsticks wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:52 pm
Also as a side note, i'd love to know what camping a keep for 4 or so hours adding on ever fight possible actually brings to the game for you to so vehemently go for me other than it's their choice. Wouldn't you want more as well ?
You said my posts are full of I do this so should others, yet that assumption means you're glossing over the facts i'm trying to ram home. I could assume you run around small manning soloers all day long and potentially being like PK, but I do not. Just think it's silly we got NF to open up to a larger area with less chokes, and end up with pretty much the same thing just instead of stuffing we have a bit of gravy instead.
I stated everyone gets to chose how to play, regardless of it if baffles me or not and wanting to see some motivation so some players actually move away from a keep into the vast world we have to play in.
Personally i enjoy keep camping. Moreso on my stealther, whether its a defend or attack keep, then the design itself basically lends to this happening. Its the DAoC version of chumming the water and wondering why all the sharks show up. Its simple, thats where the action is. I can give "my persepective and my opinion on why i keep camp". Maybe that will help you understand it from my perspective. While it may differ from yours, your original statement was that you do not understand why people do it... where here goes:

1. I personally voted OF over NF. My reasoning was that i came from Live, and while i knew the platform and the maps and such, i also knew that changing from OF to NF was just moving the camp spots. It was going to move from camping milegates to camping keeps. At least with milegates, you had to move between x, to y, to z. Now with open port you can simply port to a keep to defend it.. which works out wonderfully for me.
2. If i choose to solo, it is not going to be on a speed class. Mainly its going to be on a stealther. Again... if i am a shark, why would i want to leave the feeding area? If i was a stat chaser who wanted 15k solo kills i could go camp an xp spot and pad my numbers.
3. I i choose to small man, i'm at a slight disadvantage. There are the elite groups (we all know who they are, who had the time and patience to play specific toons for a good long time and have thus padded their rr and abilities. Why would i want to drag my small man out time after time and feed them more rps? You may have ideas on how to avoid that, but so i do I. I put my back against a friendly wall and run screaming when i see those groups, hoping to take one of them with me even if i die, but if i cannot, i hope to annoy the piss out of them by hoping back into my friendly keep with 1% life remaining.

Today's DAoC is a lot different that it was for me 17 years ago. 17 years ago, i wasnt working nearly as much as i am now, i wasnt a father of two, i had WAY more time to effectively go out and roam and do more hunting. Fast forward to today. I play maybe 2 hours a night, i afk a lot if the kids need me, or even if they want dad to come watch a show with them. Gaming is not even secondary anymore... its waaaaay down the list.

So theres "my" reason. Its easy. I won't get farmed nearly as much. The gm's promote it via the bonus system. Instant action. I'm sincerely apologetic if it doesnt suit your playstyle, but i'm fine with you playing your style. Without knowledge of how it actually is. Would i like it? who knows. I may despise it, but i'd never try to keep you from playing it. Its hard enough keeping the population we have now... enjoy and play on!
Just read this guy's reply if you want some insight on why people enjoy different things than you.

I disagree with almost everything he said since it's not how *I* prefer to play the game, but that's not really that important since we don't need to alter the game around my personal vision.

You have a tendency to poison the well with passive aggression under the guise of "just asking questions," and if you can't see that, sorry.

NOTE: Directed at Chopsticks.

Re: Keep camping

#24
Sleep you're bang on, it's hard to see it but you're right and have explained peoples thought process. If i were to be cynical I would still say people take the easier route given the option but there's no denying your input is spot on.
Elnin sorry you think that way, I'm not trying to force anything, just help motivate people but not all want to test themselves and their characters the same way i do because that's what i get out of this type of game clearly others do not want the same thing out of it and chose to take a different path.
I still don't see any real bonus's for camping so hard and adding on everything, but at least now I can see a few varying reasons as to why people would want to and have to accept it.
I did mention i do not put my best self forward in this kind of forum, and trying to be objective for not just my own sake but other players too. I still believe regardless of anything opening the map up expanding where we fight would be amazing, but just some kind of deluded vision of a utopian server i guess

Re: Keep camping

#25
Chopsticks wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:16 pm
Sleep you're bang on, it's hard to see it but you're right and have explained peoples thought process. If i were to be cynical I would still say people take the easier route given the option but there's no denying your input is spot on.
Elnin sorry you think that way, I'm not trying to force anything, just help motivate people but not all want to test themselves and their characters the same way i do because that's what i get out of this type of game clearly others do not want the same thing out of it and chose to take a different path.
I still don't see any real bonus's for camping so hard and adding on everything, but at least now I can see a few varying reasons as to why people would want to and have to accept it.
I did mention i do not put my best self forward in this kind of forum, and trying to be objective for not just my own sake but other players too. I still believe regardless of anything opening the map up expanding where we fight would be amazing, but just some kind of deluded vision of a utopian server i guess
Maybe some do agree with me. I don't like to think i've explained anyones thought process other than my own. As stated previously, some disagree with my playstyle, but understand it and carry on with theirs.

To respond to this exchange. If you were cynical, you could do just as you've suggested, but again, until you've walked a mile in someones shoes, its really hard to understand their rationale for playing the way others play.

At one time, i could agree with you more. When this server first started. When there were 4,000 active accounts (and players for that matter). I think your perspective could be a lot more agreeable. Since the server has lost @ 60-70% of its population, then things changed rapidly. Land mass didnt change though. So you have close to 70% fewer people and for me at least, its much easier to get my game on by not roaming and looking for that action. Today's other games promote that as well.. the instant gratification.

You mention that you still don't see real bonus's for camping so hard and adding everything. I will give this perspective. Those elite players, or even the not so elite players who have accumulated realm rank, experience, a good solid group, etc. That isnt your audience when you talk about camping. Not in my own perspective anyway. Its the new players, the low rr players who may be trying a new character, class, etc. Its the solo, duo, trio, (insert number here) who may have tried to roam and failed miserably for several reason. Class setup, group setup, realm rank, or take a dozen variations of all combined. Maybe they did try and were just overwhelmed with how far behind they were. People who tried to template early, had a benefit. More raids, more gold/plat, easier to farm, etc. Things have gotten much tougher. Raids are virtually non-existent anymore (DS and HOH have helped a little). Realm ranks cannot be overlooked. I can't tell you how many times i've seen the higher realm rank Alb and Hib groups banging on Bled island farming hundreds of solos, duos, trios, groups, mutliple groups etc.

You're still asking for a community change, but this is too imbedded in multiple playstyles to ever take effect. To get those (me included) to roam out and fight set 8 man groups.. not gonna happen. To fight groups who are 7 realm ranks ahead of me with all the benefits, not gonna happen. The reasoning behind adding everythign i see on bled island? A) its easy. B) They keep coming back. C) I don't have the luxury of not hitting everything i can while i can, because in 20 seconds, ill probably be hit by the rr10 group of albs, or the rr11 group of hibs and sent packing. I don't worry too much about who i am hitting there, because they, like me, came to the chum filled, shark infested waters for a reason. Instant action. If DC, Bled and Beno are dead... i typically log, because that means the action is so slow that i can probably be more entertained by watching youtube.

I wish it was different Chop. But unless some magic wand is waved and population hits 3-4k again, im afraid you're only gonna see it get worse.

Re: Keep camping

#26
I think a lot of the keep campers have to afk a lot. I do not have a lot of time to find a group then go roam with that group only to leave 10 minutes later because my family needs me or I want to take a break. I am not lazy, I am just busy. I play a lot more because this is an option. At least I am on the game and you have the opportunity to kill me. Use some strategy set up traps, if I am a keep camper probably not gonna use a buff pot right away I am sometimes a easy kill if caught off guard.

Re: Keep camping

#27
Sleep I appreciate you taking the time to really hammer home all the other variables I didn't take into consideration, I'll give myself a kick up the ass and just get over it.
Funnily enough once I put it out of my I head I managed to have one of the best days in terms of nice clean fights and people respecting them enough to let them finish. it's either blind luck or because I'm trying to have a different view of it all so cheers again.