Midgard should have a Thrust weapon line

Started 26 Oct 2020
by DinoTriz
in Suggestions
Remove Sword and replace with Spear.

Swords were fairly rare for the Vikings.

Spears and Axes were much more common.

Having two slash type lines doesn't make sense and isn't balanced, especially considering Midgard being the melee realm.

Plus we should own parts of Alb and Hib and our boats should faster.

And let Berserkers take shrooms.

Sorry, I went overboard.
Tue 27 Oct 2020 2:33 AM by ExcretusMaximus
DinoTriz wrote:
Mon 26 Oct 2020 10:26 PM
Midgard being the melee realm.

This is not a thing.

This has never been a thing.

Players decided Midgard was the "melee" realm because of Trolls and Celerity, then they complained about the lack of casters when their casters are perfectly fine, because "Midgard is the melee realm."

Stop spreading this insultingly stupid opinion around as if it was fact.
Tue 27 Oct 2020 6:11 AM by Lokkjim
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Tue 27 Oct 2020 2:33 AM
DinoTriz wrote:
Mon 26 Oct 2020 10:26 PM
Midgard being the melee realm.

This is not a thing.

This has never been a thing.

Players decided Midgard was the "melee" realm because of Trolls and Celerity, then they complained about the lack of casters when their casters are perfectly fine, because "Midgard is the melee realm."

Stop spreading this insultingly stupid opinion around as if it was fact.

Personally, I thought it was because they could train in one weapon line and wield one-handers and two-handers.
Tue 27 Oct 2020 9:00 AM by Sepplord
Imo Midgard is the melee realm, because it doesn't have as many/as intresting caster options
Midgard castergroups on paper are perfectly viable, but the issue comes from a different angle.

People mostly don't pick a realm, and then look for a class they want to play in that realm.
People mostly ask themselves, what do i want to play, and a casterplayer that looks at the realms caster-options will more often than not see more options in Hibernia and Albion, even if they could technically build a succesful 8man castersetup that's viable in midgard too.


And that issue just exacerbates itself through availability of castergroupslots
Tue 27 Oct 2020 9:24 AM by DinoTriz
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Tue 27 Oct 2020 2:33 AM
This is not a thing.

This has never been a thing.

Players decided Midgard was the "melee" realm because of Trolls and Celerity, then they complained about the lack of casters when their casters are perfectly fine, because "Midgard is the melee realm."

Stop spreading this insultingly stupid opinion around as if it was fact.

Just because you don't want it to be a thing doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Mid = melee realm
Alb = Cabalist realm
Hib = plants and stuff realm, lots of tree pepple
Tue 27 Oct 2020 10:24 AM by skipari
DinoTriz wrote:
Tue 27 Oct 2020 9:24 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Tue 27 Oct 2020 2:33 AM
This is not a thing.

This has never been a thing.

Players decided Midgard was the "melee" realm because of Trolls and Celerity, then they complained about the lack of casters when their casters are perfectly fine, because "Midgard is the melee realm."

Stop spreading this insultingly stupid opinion around as if it was fact.

Just because you don't want it to be a thing doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Mid = melee realm
Alb = Cabalist realm
Hib = plants and stuff realm, lots of tree pepple

Midgard was in the beginning of daoc actually a melee realm, but ttk increase, melee damage reduction, and to some extend player skill, made kitey stuff far superior to a commitment based playstyle. Doesn't mean the casters were bad in mid to beginn with, but earlier in the times they were just worse in comparision.
Tue 27 Oct 2020 11:05 PM by Tyrlaan
skipari wrote:
Tue 27 Oct 2020 10:24 AM
DinoTriz wrote:
Tue 27 Oct 2020 9:24 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Tue 27 Oct 2020 2:33 AM
This is not a thing.

This has never been a thing.

Players decided Midgard was the "melee" realm because of Trolls and Celerity, then they complained about the lack of casters when their casters are perfectly fine, because "Midgard is the melee realm."

Stop spreading this insultingly stupid opinion around as if it was fact.

Just because you don't want it to be a thing doesn't mean it's not a thing.

Mid = melee realm
Alb = Cabalist realm
Hib = plants and stuff realm, lots of tree pepple

Midgard was in the beginning of daoc actually a melee realm, but ttk increase, melee damage reduction, and to some extend player skill, made kitey stuff far superior to a commitment based playstyle. Doesn't mean the casters were bad in mid to beginn with, but earlier in the times they were just worse in comparision.

The first RR13 was a Runemaster, Agron. Just saying. RMs were great at the beginning with AoE spears at milegates, self speed etc. With all the changes since it feels like it was a different game altogether.

Midgard is the melee realm because it has a couple of classes and abilities which underline that aspect: it could field full tank groups (with much of the utility on seers and Skalds) for a long time, has Celerity, free twohand, WS bonuses on classes with otherwise bland melee lines (Warrior, Hunter), had (old) LA coupled with perma endo early on, then the introduction of the (at first OPed) Savage to rival the LA-nerfed zerk etc.

And with all the buffs to other casters and in a caster-heavy environment, the Mid casters just have fallen behind. Mid can build caster assist trains but they generally perform worse than Alb and Hib caster groups, mostly due to facing a bazillion of pets, stun assist nukes or tanglers. If you wanna zerg surf on Phoenix why play a RM when you could on an Earth Wizard. Low delve AoE DoTs, no acuity bonus on half the AoE casters (Thanes, Cave Shamans), worse AoE RA distribution.

But what makes the most difference IMO is that, unlike in the old days and with nowadays knowledge about the difference between realms, people don´t pick a realm and then choose a class but choose a class archetype they wanna play first and then pick the realm for it. If they want to assist nuke or AoE DD stuff, they tend to go to the realms with the better casters. If they want to play tanky and get the classes/Celerity for it, they choose Mid.
Wed 28 Oct 2020 7:51 AM by inoeth
true agron was the first rr13 in europe but he never played in a caster setup. harjis, his guild almost always played melee or hybrid setup with one runemaster and one bd (which was Asi the second rr13)
Wed 28 Oct 2020 12:19 PM by Forlornhope
Technically they do, just roll a hunter.
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