How does this server compare to Uthgard?

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑

Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:47 PM

cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑

Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PM

And by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."

What's the alternative?

1/ Making the charge last longer allowing you to apply all possible charges always and thereby requiring you to have literally all of them? Removing them and thereby making the pve content pretty much pointless for rvr and also affecting common group buff scenarios like charging acuity?

2/ Making the potions last longer and thereby increase the value people get out of them making the inflation worse or also increasing the material prices making people whine about how expensive they are when they last 30 minutes but they die after a 5 minute run?

3/ Making buff npcs and thereby forcing people to release and not accept rezzes as they need to rebuff?

4/ Not having any buff charges/potions like some people suggest "as it's meant to be" and again removing a large reason for people to do pve while also having super nice unbuffed tank vs unbuffed cast speed?

There are no objectively better options that have no downsides, it's all just different trade offs that affect other parts of the game in different ways. The charge timer juggling is pretty bad for solos as their existence kind of forces you to take part in it and it's something we're not happy with but there is just nothing you can change that wouldn't affect another playstyle / the economy.

If even you think there's a problem with the current situation, that would actually be cool to have a discussion about it, no ? I mean, you have no answers to resolve this right now, maybe after talking with 100s of other brains, something better will pop out ? Let me try :

1/ I think they're already required to compete. If you play against someone basically full buffed with charges, you're kinda dead. Removing them would not make the pve content worthless because you still need feathers to buy some parts of your temp, also there are other nice charges not as "game changing" (legion heal, hell keep the acuity one if you want !). Also, I've a more general question about PvE content :
Why should we force the part of the population here for RvR, to play in PvE even after they're temped just to keep up with recharge / buffs costs ? People here for the PvE are not forced to play in RvR at all, they even get new content, and that's cool for them ! I don't understand why we should force anyone to play something they don't like.

2/ I'd say pots are cool where they are (timer, cost etc), but they do make self-buffing classes a bit worse. That's kinda sad.

3/ In my experience there are a lot of people who prefere to release anyway, you get fully healed, you cure rez illness, and come back into the action faster than ever (most of the time faster than a rez illness).

4/ If we go to the no buff charge/pot route, we could imagine buff pots working only for PvE, cheaper to make ? Imo the remark about unbuffed tank vs unbuffed cast speed is a different story. I've always heard here this argument against speed pot : if you want speed, group a speed class. How is it different here ? If people want buffs, they group buffing classes, and it will help grouping those classes (one more reason to group friar, the class you're working on !).

In conclusion, overall charges are already required to compete, make self buffing classes worse. That reminds me a lot of buff bots too. Personally, I don't really mind buff pots right now, they give a little boost and are easy to obtain for everyone. Charges juggling on the other hand is too expensive, tedious to use, and gives too much of an advantage. I don't think the more "casual" part of your population can keep up with charges, the price (time and plat) is too high, whereas they perfectly can use a fullbuff pot. Maybe a part of the solution is to reduce the amount of charges available, especially those red buffs one ?

There are probably a lot of mistakes in my answer, things that don't make sense or I didn't think through well, but that's the point of a discussion. Anyone can come and try being objective and point me which thing wouldn't be better or work. But if you can pick one bit of an idea here, it's already worth it.