Are there any differences?
Thanks!
Thanks!
chryso wrote: ↑Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:47 PMNow to be fair, Uthgard was very popular when it came out and stayed pretty busy for a while.
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 4:57 PM
This to me is just hilarious...the idea that Phoenix is 'listening'...
To who? The huge number of people who wanted timed instances?
There's hundreds of posts about getting rid of the lame potion/charge juggling act...they stopped listening to that a long time ago....now Uthred justs locks those threads.
Do they listen to the hundreds of posts about how lame it is to see greys out leeching in RvR?
It's pretty clear Phoenix is just focused on what they like to do...write code for special dungeons and watch players struggle through...then write a new one. I guess whatever floats your boat...
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 4:57 PMThis to me is just hilarious...the idea that Phoenix is 'listening'...
To who? The huge number of people who wanted timed instances?
There's hundreds of posts about getting rid of the lame potion/charge juggling act...they stopped listening to that a long time ago....now Uthred justs locks those threads.
Do they listen to the hundreds of posts about how lame it is to see greys out leeching in RvR?
It's pretty clear Phoenix is just focused on what they like to do...write code for special dungeons and watch players struggle through...then write a new one. I guess whatever floats your boat...
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMLol...epic SI dungeons weren't originally brain dead afk affairs.
And by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
You're probably right at any rate...a good competitive PVE server will probably be enjoyed for a long time.
No comment on the grey situation either...are those threads going to be locked soon too?
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMAnd by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:47 PMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMAnd by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
What's the alternative?
Making the charge last longer allowing you to apply all possible charges always and thereby requiring you to have literally all of them? Removing them and thereby making the pve content pretty much pointless for rvr and also affecting common group buff scenarios like charging acuity?
Making the potions last longer and thereby increase the value people get out of them making the inflation worse or also increasing the material prices making people whine about how expensive they are when they last 30 minutes but they die after a 5 minute run?
Making buff npcs and thereby forcing people to release and not accept rezzes as they need to rebuff?
Not having any buff charges/potions like some people suggest "as it's meant to be" and again removing a large reason for people to do pve while also having super nice unbuffed tank vs unbuffed cast speed?
There are no objectively better options that have no downsides, it's all just different trade offs that affect other parts of the game in different ways. The charge timer juggling is pretty bad for solos as their existence kind of forces you to take part in it and it's something we're not happy with but there is just nothing you can change that wouldn't affect another playstyle / the economy.
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMLol...epic SI dungeons weren't originally brain dead afk affairs.
And by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
You're probably right at any rate...a good competitive PVE server will probably be enjoyed for a long time.
No comment on the grey situation either...are those threads going to be locked soon too?
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:47 PMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMAnd by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
What's the alternative?
Making the charge last longer allowing you to apply all possible charges always and thereby requiring you to have literally all of them? Removing them and thereby making the pve content pretty much pointless for rvr and also affecting common group buff scenarios like charging acuity?
Making the potions last longer and thereby increase the value people get out of them making the inflation worse or also increasing the material prices making people whine about how expensive they are when they last 30 minutes but they die after a 5 minute run?
Making buff npcs and thereby forcing people to release and not accept rezzes as they need to rebuff?
Not having any buff charges/potions like some people suggest "as it's meant to be" and again removing a large reason for people to do pve while also having super nice unbuffed tank vs unbuffed cast speed?
There are no objectively better options that have no downsides, it's all just different trade offs that affect other parts of the game in different ways. The charge timer juggling is pretty bad for solos as their existence kind of forces you to take part in it and it's something we're not happy with but there is just nothing you can change that wouldn't affect another playstyle / the economy.
jhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 8:07 PMThis server is basically just live 2.0.
Uthgard was actual 1.65.
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:47 PMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMAnd by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
What's the alternative?
1/ Making the charge last longer allowing you to apply all possible charges always and thereby requiring you to have literally all of them? Removing them and thereby making the pve content pretty much pointless for rvr and also affecting common group buff scenarios like charging acuity?
2/ Making the potions last longer and thereby increase the value people get out of them making the inflation worse or also increasing the material prices making people whine about how expensive they are when they last 30 minutes but they die after a 5 minute run?
3/ Making buff npcs and thereby forcing people to release and not accept rezzes as they need to rebuff?
4/ Not having any buff charges/potions like some people suggest "as it's meant to be" and again removing a large reason for people to do pve while also having super nice unbuffed tank vs unbuffed cast speed?
There are no objectively better options that have no downsides, it's all just different trade offs that affect other parts of the game in different ways. The charge timer juggling is pretty bad for solos as their existence kind of forces you to take part in it and it's something we're not happy with but there is just nothing you can change that wouldn't affect another playstyle / the economy.
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMAnd by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
No comment on the grey situation either...are those threads going to be locked soon too?
chryso wrote: ↑Sun 7 Apr 2019 5:54 PMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMAnd by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
No comment on the grey situation either...are those threads going to be locked soon too?
How do they listen to all users when not all users want the same thing?
My choice regarding the buff potion juggling is to remove all buff potions and charges. Is that what you want also?
What is this "gray situation?" Are grays ruining the game for you? Get over yourself.
waffel wrote: ↑Sun 7 Apr 2019 8:01 PMRealm rank extends duration of pots:
RR2 = 4 extra minutes per pot/charge
RR3 = 6 extra minutes per pot/charge
RR4 = 8 extra minutes per pot/charge
RR5 = 10 extra minus per pot/charge
And so on.
Because the don't want someone in RvR to get PRed and then use his buffpot to be instantly back to decent fighting power. Killing someone should mean something.AngelRose wrote: Why is there a combat timer on potions?
cuuchulain79 wrote: I think Dindelion brings up some great points. Maybe time to for the staff to open a topic on the subject with Grue & Dindelions posts copied?
Or just be a server that stubbornly sticks to what you think is best....wait...what other server did that?
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑Sun 7 Apr 2019 4:43 AMjhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 8:07 PMThis server is basically just live 2.0.
Uthgard was actual 1.65.
Did you play on live within the last, mhm, lets say 12 month? I did, and Phoenix is as far from live as it is as far from Uthgard. And i played on Uthgard for 12 month.
So i think i have a good view on what Phoenix is. It is a damn good compromise and i hope it lasts for a long time.
Not all like it, but many do.
The last Update with the Dark Spire instance shows how fast content (content that is fun to play) can be generated.
No more *We`re still working on SI (for 8 years). Players, go and make an account on live and grab some chatlogs for us to make SI happen.*.
No more * Accountvault? Oh no, that goes so deep into the code, that will take ages. More than 10 charslots? muhahaha*.
It isn`t all golden here and there`s always room for improvements. I`m still hoping for NF and/or a pet-demezz and formations for my Bonedancer.
But overall, it is fun to play (for me), and i´m curious what comes next.
jhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 8:07 PMThis server is basically just live 2.0.
Uthgard was actual 1.65.
Quik wrote: ↑Sun 7 Apr 2019 6:46 PMchryso wrote: ↑Sun 7 Apr 2019 5:54 PMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 6:28 PMAnd by all means stand by your decision regarding the buff juggling...it just cracks me up that people still think "you're listening."
No comment on the grey situation either...are those threads going to be locked soon too?
How do they listen to all users when not all users want the same thing?
My choice regarding the buff potion juggling is to remove all buff potions and charges. Is that what you want also?
What is this "gray situation?" Are grays ruining the game for you? Get over yourself.
Yep I hate pots and think they ruin the game. If ALL pots were removed people would be back on the footing they are supposed to be on.
People are so reliant on pots I'm not even sure they could play the game anymore without them, even if all pots were removed.
And who cares about the grey's? Just kill them and move on, or ignore them and move on. Sorry but NO ONE will get pity from me for grey's disrupting RvR after all the stupid grey ganking that has happened over the years. People deserve this now and karma is a b****.
lourock wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:13 AMjhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 8:07 PMThis server is basically just live 2.0.
Uthgard was actual 1.65.
That always made me laugh. Uthgard was a custom server from the very beginning. The devs vision there was so skewed. Their vision of 1.65 was some 8 man arena where no one had SI gear and casuals were basically fodder for the poop sockers was so far from the old days. I know because I was there in the old days and I wasn’t in diapers like many of you.
lourock wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:13 AMjhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 8:07 PMThis server is basically just live 2.0.
Uthgard was actual 1.65.
That always made me laugh. Uthgard was a custom server from the very beginning. The devs vision there was so skewed. Their vision of 1.65 was some 8 man arena where no one had SI gear and casuals were basically fodder for the poop sockers was so far from the old days. I know because I was there in the old days and I wasn’t in diapers like many of you.
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:59 AMlourock wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:13 AMjhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 8:07 PMThis server is basically just live 2.0.
Uthgard was actual 1.65.
That always made me laugh. Uthgard was a custom server from the very beginning. The devs vision there was so skewed. Their vision of 1.65 was some 8 man arena where no one had SI gear and casuals were basically fodder for the poop sockers was so far from the old days. I know because I was there in the old days and I wasn’t in diapers like many of you.
Another great point...Uthgard saw its first RR8-9 groups around 8-9 months after launch...and on OF RAs...that's basically core RAs, and 30 minute purge.
Phoenix has RR9-10 groups 4 months after launch, with NFish RAs...so what...core RAs, 5 minute purge, and some extra fun toy RAs too?
Lol...I guess a few free handout RPs for the zerglings...and it seemingly feels like you're less fodder for the so mentioned "poop sockers" here this time around...? It's not Uthgard or Phoenix's fault that some people play all the time in set groups...Phoenix did however split the atom for turning RvR into a feeding frenzy.
jhaerik wrote: ↑Sun 7 Apr 2019 10:06 PMStoertebecker wrote: ↑Sun 7 Apr 2019 4:43 AMjhaerik wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 8:07 PMThis server is basically just live 2.0.
Uthgard was actual 1.65.
Did you play on live within the last, mhm, lets say 12 month? I did, and Phoenix is as far from live as it is as far from Uthgard. And i played on Uthgard for 12 month.
So i think i have a good view on what Phoenix is. It is a damn good compromise and i hope it lasts for a long time.
Not all like it, but many do.
The last Update with the Dark Spire instance shows how fast content (content that is fun to play) can be generated.
No more *We`re still working on SI (for 8 years). Players, go and make an account on live and grab some chatlogs for us to make SI happen.*.
No more * Accountvault? Oh no, that goes so deep into the code, that will take ages. More than 10 charslots? muhahaha*.
It isn`t all golden here and there`s always room for improvements. I`m still hoping for NF and/or a pet-demezz and formations for my Bonedancer.
But overall, it is fun to play (for me), and i´m curious what comes next.
The fast content release being pretty much my issue.
Seriously... stop adding new stuff.....
lourock wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:38 AMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:59 AMlourock wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:13 AMThat always made me laugh. Uthgard was a custom server from the very beginning. The devs vision there was so skewed. Their vision of 1.65 was some 8 man arena where no one had SI gear and casuals were basically fodder for the poop sockers was so far from the old days. I know because I was there in the old days and I wasn’t in diapers like many of you.
Another great point...Uthgard saw its first RR8-9 groups around 8-9 months after launch...and on OF RAs...that's basically core RAs, and 30 minute purge.
Phoenix has RR9-10 groups 4 months after launch, with NFish RAs...so what...core RAs, 5 minute purge, and some extra fun toy RAs too?
Lol...I guess a few free handout RPs for the zerglings...and it seemingly feels like you're less fodder for the so mentioned "poop sockers" here this time around...? It's not Uthgard or Phoenix's fault that some people play all the time in set groups...Phoenix did however split the atom for turning RvR into a feeding frenzy.
Sounds awesome go play there!
cuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Sat 6 Apr 2019 4:57 PM
This to me is just hilarious...the idea that Phoenix is 'listening'...
To who? The huge number of people who wanted timed instances?
There's hundreds of posts about getting rid of the lame potion/charge juggling act...they stopped listening to that a long time ago....now Uthred justs locks those threads.
Do they listen to the hundreds of posts about how lame it is to see greys out leeching in RvR?
It's pretty clear Phoenix is just focused on what they like to do...write code for special dungeons and watch players struggle through...then write a new one. I guess whatever floats your boat...
jhaerik wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 4:27 PMlourock wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:38 AMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:59 AMAnother great point...Uthgard saw its first RR8-9 groups around 8-9 months after launch...and on OF RAs...that's basically core RAs, and 30 minute purge.
Phoenix has RR9-10 groups 4 months after launch, with NFish RAs...so what...core RAs, 5 minute purge, and some extra fun toy RAs too?
Lol...I guess a few free handout RPs for the zerglings...and it seemingly feels like you're less fodder for the so mentioned "poop sockers" here this time around...? It's not Uthgard or Phoenix's fault that some people play all the time in set groups...Phoenix did however split the atom for turning RvR into a feeding frenzy.
Sounds awesome go play there!
I'd love to, but too many people couldn't hack it and ran over here for dolly dress up, and welfare.
jhaerik wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 4:27 PMlourock wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:38 AMcuuchulain79 wrote: ↑Mon 8 Apr 2019 1:59 AMAnother great point...Uthgard saw its first RR8-9 groups around 8-9 months after launch...and on OF RAs...that's basically core RAs, and 30 minute purge.
Phoenix has RR9-10 groups 4 months after launch, with NFish RAs...so what...core RAs, 5 minute purge, and some extra fun toy RAs too?
Lol...I guess a few free handout RPs for the zerglings...and it seemingly feels like you're less fodder for the so mentioned "poop sockers" here this time around...? It's not Uthgard or Phoenix's fault that some people play all the time in set groups...Phoenix did however split the atom for turning RvR into a feeding frenzy.
Sounds awesome go play there!
I'd love to, but too many people couldn't hack it and ran over here for dolly dress up, and welfare.
Frieza wrote: ↑Mon 15 Apr 2019 2:12 AMquite simply, Phoenix listens and Uthgard will only listen if its the final straw (which is often too late).
We pleaded with them to increase exp for months. We told them after hitting 50, you are so burnt out, you dont enjoy the game anymore. They never listened to this and instead said "its part of 1.65 deal with it", so when another competitor came up with promises and plans to make this easier, well look at the population stats 1-4k vs maybe 60 players on Uthgard. in short....sometimes it pays to be flexible
vadox wrote: ↑Wed 17 Apr 2019 5:10 PMOverall I like this server much better but one thing I am missing is entertainment that the freshman GM Abdosious was providing to me and the community in general. If there is a similar representative on Phoenix that can replace that for me then I would be a happy camper. You can contact me with more details on what is required of this person.
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