Gambling brag thread - Phoenix Freeshard

Hi everyone!
So what have you guys won doing the new gambling game? Post here about your awesome wins, your losses, and post pics of your cute vanity pets and wieldables!
:hugs:

Tue 11 Feb 2020 2:46 PM by Ryanimal

I won a key to a player's heart.

Tue 11 Feb 2020 2:52 PM by Pao

I won an empty scroll. Will use it to file taxes end of april!

Tue 11 Feb 2020 2:53 PM by

Uthred

I made a Gambling FAQ thread ---> https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=12468

Tue 11 Feb 2020 4:24 PM by Sepplord

Don't have pictures but some data about the itemroll:

i gambled away 750-800tokens and got:
-loads of crap
-6 x Draught of Combined Forces (might have also been Regeneration)
-2 x Exergender stones
-5 x Pets (Golestand, Medusa, MineCart)

Apparently rolling:
1-500 wins nothing
500-989 wins a random item that you can equip (flowers/mugs/torch/etc....)
990: unknown
991-994: Draught of combined forces / Regen
995: unknown
996: mini horse
997: black cat (friend got minecart)
998: Medusa / Minecart
999: Golestand (friend got Legion mini)
1000:Exergender respecc

My theory is that the "real prizes" start above 990. With buff-pots being rewards up to 994 or 995. Then 996/997/998 give you a random standard pet with 999 giving you a random elitepet (Realmdragons/Legion) and 1000gives you the Respeccstone

Tue 11 Feb 2020 6:28 PM by borodino1812

Will we see the housing zones go empty, as people gamble away land and property? Huddled kobolds under bridges doing unspeakable things with their pets? While holding onto to the their ill-gotten Hibernian mugs...

Tue 11 Feb 2020 7:37 PM by LocalIdiot

I committed grave sins against the King and have engaged in licensed gambling! Not a drunken dice game in Camelot but this boring, boring NPC.

I spent 2 dusty platinum pieces on this fool and he gave me way too many flowers, a cat, a baby legion, a cart, two stones to remove my stones, three combined pots and one combined regen pot.

The cat I now call Rupert. I have had my fill with this and will say to my fellow Albanians, if you want to do some real gambling, walk past this NPC. Keep walking all the way to the pearly gates of Camelot, and then walk some more until you find the Stone bar. Rupert and I will be there to take your money and buy you an ale with it.

Tue 11 Feb 2020 11:30 PM by pollojack

LocalIdiot wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
I committed grave sins against the King and have engaged in licensed gambling! Not a drunken dice game in Camelot but this boring, boring NPC.

I spent 2 dusty platinum pieces on this fool and he gave me way too many flowers, a cat, a baby legion, a cart, two stones to remove my stones, three combined pots and one combined regen pot.

The cat I now call Rupert. I have had my fill with this and will say to my fellow Albanians, if you want to do some real gambling, walk past this NPC. Keep walking all the way to the pearly gates of Camelot, and then walk some more until you find the Stone bar. Rupert and I will be there to take your money and buy you an ale with it.

Hold up, you spent 2p and got 4 combo pots? That is a pretty decent return.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 1:12 AM by Forlornhope

LocalIdiot wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
I committed grave sins against the King and have engaged in licensed gambling! Not a drunken dice game in Camelot but this boring, boring NPC.

I spent 2 dusty platinum pieces on this fool and he gave me way too many flowers, a cat, a baby legion, a cart, two stones to remove my stones, three combined pots and one combined regen pot.

The cat I now call Rupert. I have had my fill with this and will say to my fellow Albanians, if you want to do some real gambling, walk past this NPC. Keep walking all the way to the pearly gates of Camelot, and then walk some more until you find the Stone bar. Rupert and I will be there to take your money and buy you an ale with it.

You spent 2p on that but can't be bothered to dye your armor huh?

Wed 12 Feb 2020 1:12 AM by Forlornhope

LocalIdiot wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
I committed grave sins against the King and have engaged in licensed gambling! Not a drunken dice game in Camelot but this boring, boring NPC.

I spent 2 dusty platinum pieces on this fool and he gave me way too many flowers, a cat, a baby legion, a cart, two stones to remove my stones, three combined pots and one combined regen pot.

The cat I now call Rupert. I have had my fill with this and will say to my fellow Albanians, if you want to do some real gambling, walk past this NPC. Keep walking all the way to the pearly gates of Camelot, and then walk some more until you find the Stone bar. Rupert and I will be there to take your money and buy you an ale with it.

You spent 2p on that but can't be bothered to dye your armor huh?

Wed 12 Feb 2020 4:08 AM by Azuell

pollojack wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Feb 2020 11:30 PM
LocalIdiot wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
I committed grave sins against the King and have engaged in licensed gambling! Not a drunken dice game in Camelot but this boring, boring NPC.

I spent 2 dusty platinum pieces on this fool and he gave me way too many flowers, a cat, a baby legion, a cart, two stones to remove my stones, three combined pots and one combined regen pot.

The cat I now call Rupert. I have had my fill with this and will say to my fellow Albanians, if you want to do some real gambling, walk past this NPC. Keep walking all the way to the pearly gates of Camelot, and then walk some more until you find the Stone bar. Rupert and I will be there to take your money and buy you an ale with it.

Hold up, you spent 2p and got 4 combo pots? That is a pretty decent return.

It was also a little lucky if the above numbers are accurate. If 990-995 give a pot then on average you'll get 2.4 pots per 2p or 833.33 gold per pot. That doesn't account for the pets and the gender stones though. Not sure what those will end up selling for.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 6:11 AM by Sepplord

Azuell wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 4:08 AM
pollojack wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Feb 2020 11:30 PM
LocalIdiot wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
I committed grave sins against the King and have engaged in licensed gambling! Not a drunken dice game in Camelot but this boring, boring NPC.

I spent 2 dusty platinum pieces on this fool and he gave me way too many flowers, a cat, a baby legion, a cart, two stones to remove my stones, three combined pots and one combined regen pot.

The cat I now call Rupert. I have had my fill with this and will say to my fellow Albanians, if you want to do some real gambling, walk past this NPC. Keep walking all the way to the pearly gates of Camelot, and then walk some more until you find the Stone bar. Rupert and I will be there to take your money and buy you an ale with it.

Hold up, you spent 2p and got 4 combo pots? That is a pretty decent return.

It was also a little lucky if the above numbers are accurate. If 990-995 give a pot then on average you'll get 2.4 pots per 2p or 833.33 gold per pot. That doesn't account for the pets and the gender stones though. Not sure what those will end up selling for.

Also you can get combined regen pots too, which are about as costly but not neccessary. Most are doing just fine with an invigoration pot for about 100g.
I expect the gender respeccs to be really cheap...you get them more often than a pet and i believe the demand is lower overall too.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 10:51 AM by LocalIdiot

Hey I worked hard on my dye job and on fitting my helmet properly... the numbers are accurate, but I only got one gender stone and not two. My apologies, I had to leave school early and can't count too well. Ended up trading that stone for a pony and I hope that guy enjoys wearing high heels as much as I enjoy having a pony. Gonna name him... Porkchop.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 11:22 AM by

gruenesschaf

The numbers posted are accurate, however, there was an issue that made the combined potions take up the spots for the instant mana / endurance / heal potions too, that's now fixed. The intended rate for the combined potions was / is 0.2%: 994, 995 and 0.4% for the instant mana / endu / heal potions: 990 - 993

Wed 12 Feb 2020 11:51 AM by Chihuahua

3p worth of coins and in return i got 1 pet and 9x combi regen/buff. So approx ~5p worth of return. Not bad. However im concerned about the combi barrel price drop on the market.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 12:00 PM by Sepplord

Chihuahua wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 11:51 AM
3p worth of coins and in return i got 1 pet and 9x combi regen/buff. So approx ~5p worth of return. Not bad. However im concerned about the combi barrel price drop on the market.

you got lucky, on average 5p "investment" would give you each number one time. Aka even before the fix of the rewards, only 6pots

and that isn't even considering the time investment of gambling 1000times.
I didn't really pay attention to it, but there is a certain timegap between gambles. Probably so you can't "play the RNG-system" as easily. Timegap of 2seconds already amounts to 2000seconds. On average you will get 500items during the gambling, that you will have to manage/sell/store etc...
If you streamline it you could do it in probably 45minutes. An hour is probably more reasonable.

Imagine what you could farm in an hour when you just buy the pots

Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:11 PM by Lipsi

I like the idea as a sink hole for platins, however i think the figures need some fine tuning, as for now the odds are rather good for prizes to consider it being really a sink hole, and with a bit of luck it can have the exact opposite effect :
- on first serie i purchased 1P and gambled for items and i could get 2 combined pots + 1 medusa pet
- on second serie, with 2P purchased coins, i gambled for differenceroll and could turn the 400 coins into 775 in a few minutes (of course i could have lost everything too, that is luck), then on item roll got 4 combined + 1 puppy + 1 exergender
My concerns are :
- possibility to sell back coins for 4g, that is a 20% devaluation from purchase cost but still there is plenty room for money creation from nothing
- differenceroll gives equal odds to the bank and the player, as a gamble game the odds should always be in favor of the bank, especially if this is supposed to be a sink hole
- pets being plentyfull, with 1P, a sum anybody can spend means a pet for just anybody, without effort. Not that i don't like them, but cosmetics pets are as annoying as "special" mounts, when just everybody have tons of them. Especially the variety of pets from this gambling NPC isn't really much compared to the population and we'll see tons of medusas, puppies, carts, etc at every corner
- exergender giving a face reskin, means with 2 exergenders you cancel the sex change and get a face reskin - saves you 30K bp from merchant
- not a "bad deal" as a way of supply for combined pots, overall should still cost some extra coins compared to market price, but save the 20% auction house commission while getting a chance for exergender, pets, or simply being lucky and get them at discounted price.
- 99% of items rolled being just trash for emptybag.
Overall, this is a good move but i'd rather see :
- more unique to the NPC prizes (combined are def the best prize there and obtained with other means: alchemy)
- more non-permanent prizes (pets and RP hand items are permanent, when you get one of them, you don't want more), as always, fireworks would be great items for this NPC because they are consumables.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:26 PM by Sepplord

Lipsi wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:11 PM
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Unless there is a bug in the RNG then the gamblerolls are zero-sum chancewise. The systems as described would average out at plusminus0. The sink is the 20% cut between buying/selling the luckycoins

I really hope there is no Bug in the RNG otherwise i know that a few will already have exploited the shit out of it. But so far it seems like you just got Lucky. The average return for pots is worse than marketprice and gambling also takes time which has an opportunity cost attached too. (Also, Keep in mind, same "Price" pots from gambling drain 100% money while buying crafted Shifts a Portion only from one Account to Another.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:54 PM by Lipsi

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:26 PM
so far it seems like you just got Lucky.

I agree but this is my point, with just luck, you could make good platins out of it.
I don't complain about this actually, i have no farm toons and the idea that platins can flow or sink in gamble is quite appealing to me, but just wanted to highlight that some people will actually make money from it.

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:26 PM
The systems as described would average out at plusminus0. The sink is the 20% cut between buying/selling the luckycoins

Also my point, the system of differenceroll should carry in itself odds in the bank's favor, since you're free to spend the coins you earnt in item gambling, their worth isn't 4g but 5g - the price you'd have purchased them, and not the price you'd sell them.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 6:07 PM by Sepplord

Lipsi wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:54 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 5:26 PM
so far it seems like you just got Lucky.

I agree but this is my point, with just luck, you could make good platins out of it.
I don't complain about this actually, i have no farm toons and the idea that platins can flow or sink in gamble is quite appealing to me, but just wanted to highlight that some people will actually make money from it.

Uhh, but thats like going into a Casino and saying: "every now and then people will get lucky and make money with this. That's a Problem."

Well, no it's not. That's the whole reason gambling exists and "works". If there was no way to win, noone would play.

And don't forget the time, time spent gambling is time spent not-farming. Similarly, blackjack is a game where you can reliably win with a relatively low skillbarrier but the returns per time aren't big enough considering the strain of doing it as a jobreplacement.

Wed 12 Feb 2020 6:28 PM by Lipsi

Hehe, i think we agree but we talk of different things.

As a casino, i think the NPC is fine (exept the small detail i mentionned about where to carry the sink - better within the odds, than at reselling coins)

As a lotery for prizes, the NPC is fine (except the fact that 11 pets for 1100 players we'll see hords of twin pets at every corner^^)

As a sinkhole, i think the NPC isn't fine
- Casino isn't a very performant sink (the game itself isn't very entertaining, you don't have the thrill of real gambling, and past the novelty effect, those using the casino option are probably those who wish they will gain some money ie those who don't have much money to start with, while those who have almost limitless credit won't bother to use that option. In real casino, the biggest spenders and players don't go there for the potential of gains, but for the thrill, keep in mind if they can spend that big, they don't need the money ^^ )
- Lotery itself isn't a very performant sink (too few consumables, and the consumables are all possible to obtain by other means - and cheaper - while the unique prizes of the lotery are permanent). Would benefit more consumable unique prizes (not just exergender which probably has limited audience).

Wed 12 Feb 2020 7:51 PM by Horus

Hail Gamblor!

Wed 12 Feb 2020 9:44 PM by Sepplord

Lipsi wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Feb 2020 6:28 PM
Hehe, i think we agree but we talk of different things.

As a casino, i think the NPC is fine (exept the small detail i mentionned about where to carry the sink - better within the odds, than at reselling coins)

As a lotery for prizes, the NPC is fine (except the fact that 11 pets for 1100 players we'll see hords of twin pets at every corner^^)

As a sinkhole, i think the NPC isn't fine
- Casino isn't a very performant sink (the game itself isn't very entertaining, you don't have the thrill of real gambling, and past the novelty effect, those using the casino option are probably those who wish they will gain some money ie those who don't have much money to start with, while those who have almost limitless credit won't bother to use that option. In real casino, the biggest spenders and players don't go there for the potential of gains, but for the thrill, keep in mind if they can spend that big, they don't need the money ^^ )
- Lotery itself isn't a very performant sink (too few consumables, and the consumables are all possible to obtain by other means - and cheaper - while the unique prizes of the lotery are permanent). Would benefit more consumable unique prizes (not just exergender which probably has limited audience).

Ah okay, i get what you mean and kind of agree. I already felt like more "special" pets would have made them "worth" more and maybe in total more gold would have been sunken. But it is hard to tell, with this approach it is also including basically everyone. Gambling for a pet, even a specific one, is kind of affordable and attracts more gamblers than making it really rare or increasing the cost per roll.

I also googled around a bit and was surprised to find that casino revenue structures heavily differ from region to region. While in the US 50-88% of revenue is generated by slotmachines (aka small fish) in macau (and Asia in general) it is almost completely flipped around and over 70% is made by VIPgambling. Interesting was also that in Vegas they make only a small share 20-30% with gambling, and similar amounts with the Restaurants, rooms and "other". While in macau gambling is bigger than all others combined. Dunno where i am going with this...just found it interesting to share

Wed 12 Feb 2020 10:17 PM by Rbuur

I find it odd that you can win potions, kinda undermines the alchemy profession?

Might aswell add the chance of winning AF102/16,5dps 100% quality crafted armor/weapons?

.. At least make the potions thats winnable from the gambler 1 use only.

Thu 13 Feb 2020 4:21 AM by

gruenesschaf

Just in case people are interested in numbers:
The introduction of gambling now produced the first and only days where the gold in circulation actually decreased. The decrease was 1.7 mithril since tuesday, for reference the entire amount on all accounts in all realms is currently about 270 mithril.
Until then the daily growth was rather steady at about 50p / day on average and again for reference before the last change to the economy (which revamped the repair cost and changed the task gold reward) the growth was at about 100 - 200p / day.

Tuesday:
Difference roll was used 27568 times, 13679 times the player lost, 13889 times the player won (draws are not counted)
Item roll was used 365301 times, 1000 was rolled 372 times

Wednesday:
Difference roll was used 50191 times, 24762 times the player lost, 25429 times the player won (draws are not counted)
Item roll was used 179478 times, 1000 was rolled 184 times

Thu 13 Feb 2020 3:05 PM by Sixin2082

So far I'm pretty happy with gambling. I haven't used it yet, but I bought 4 gender Respec stones on the cm yesterday for less than I was willing to buy 1 exerface for (not that I've been able to find a seller) and was able to fix 2 character's faces

It still bothers me that elves with long ears can't wear steeple hats without the ears poking through.

Thu 13 Feb 2020 11:04 PM by stewbeedoo

Sixin2082 wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Feb 2020 3:05 PM
So far I'm pretty happy with gambling. I haven't used it yet, but I bought 4 gender Respec stones on the cm yesterday for less than I was willing to buy 1 exerface for (not that I've been able to find a seller) and was able to fix 2 character's faces

It still bothers me that elves with long ears can't wear steeple hats without the ears poking through.

First World problems eh?

Fri 14 Feb 2020 7:03 AM by Sepplord

well, any complaint about a video game is a first world problem isn't it?

Tue 18 Feb 2020 7:38 AM by Chihuahua

About 15p into gambling and im seeing ~35p profit when my items sell (1 page of pets & 1 page of barrels). "Goldsink"

Tue 18 Feb 2020 11:01 AM by Sepplord

Chihuahua wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Feb 2020 7:38 AM
About 15p into gambling and im seeing ~35p profit when my items sell (1 page of pets & 1 page of barrels). "Goldsink"

1. IF not WHEN

2. IF they sell, then that money gets transferred from another player to you, while you "deleted" the 15p out of the game

3. IF they sell and buyers don't run to your house, 20% of 50p => another 10p is taken out of the game

4. assuming you really end up with your projected profit, then you just got lucky. Someone going into the casino and winning a jackpot on his first game will realise he got lucky. Not start a discussion how casinos are broken

Wed 19 Feb 2020 7:50 PM by Chihuahua

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Feb 2020 11:01 AM
Chihuahua wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Feb 2020 7:38 AM
About 15p into gambling and im seeing ~35p profit when my items sell (1 page of pets & 1 page of barrels). "Goldsink"

1. IF not WHEN

2. IF they sell, then that money gets transferred from another player to you, while you "deleted" the 15p out of the game

3. IF they sell and buyers don't run to your house, 20% of 50p => another 10p is taken out of the game

4. assuming you really end up with your projected profit, then you just got lucky. Someone going into the casino and winning a jackpot on his first game will realise he got lucky. Not start a discussion how casinos are broken

They will sell, it's just a matter of time. And if some of them wont, then i can live with that loss, since im constantly gambling new resources of income. True, i deleted 15p from the game, however my wealth increased. And i have gambled quite a bit now, so i wouldn't really compare it to a casino. The return of investment is too big at the moment imo.

Wed 19 Feb 2020 9:36 PM by Pao

There is no real edge so to speak. The bank always has to win. It seems too fair.

Wed 19 Feb 2020 9:39 PM by Jafeeio

Itemroll is not a casino, it's more like going to the carnival and throwing darts to win a giant teddy bear. Chihuahua is the person winning the teddy bear and then selling it to another person who is not as patient or doesn't enjoy the game (in this case spamming a key on your keyboard for a few hours) and is willing to pay a premium to just get the teddy bear.

Absolutely nothing wrong with this method of goldmaking as long as the items are in demand.

Thu 20 Feb 2020 6:57 AM by Sepplord

the opportunity cost of the gambling also factors into this, doing 1000itemrolls takes a lot of time, time that isn't spent farming