ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 2:52 AMBecause the nerfs that specific turret already received in the last few months aren't enough.
You can push into them just fine; wait for root immunity or use SoS.
Think tactically instead of just mashing stick and your style.
kiectred wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 8:00 AMTanglers have already been nerfed, and it's a reasonable one. If you can't figure out how to push through them with all the current options available then it's your fault not the game.
Also a snare would be almost exactly as bad. They would simply kite a liiiiiittle more than they already do.
easytoremember wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 9:46 PMIf you're going to mess with the root's duration then reduce the length of time the shroom idles for when it targets a root-immune target
How they are now + this nerf is too much
How they are now even is too far imo cause RNG blows; they tend to cycle same handul of targets and accumulate a lot of idle time (whereas prenerf they were forced to pick fresh targets which was OP but circumvented RNG)
mattymc wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 9:28 PMkiectred wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 8:00 AMTanglers have already been nerfed, and it's a reasonable one. If you can't figure out how to push through them with all the current options available then it's your fault not the game.
Also a snare would be almost exactly as bad. They would simply kite a liiiiiittle more than they already do.
Tanglers are a speedwarp --- everyone hated speedwarps <on live> but everyone had them <on live>; the fact that only one realm has them here is a mistake ....
kiectred wrote: ↑Mon 16 Sep 2019 12:47 AMmattymc wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 9:28 PMkiectred wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 8:00 AMTanglers have already been nerfed, and it's a reasonable one. If you can't figure out how to push through them with all the current options available then it's your fault not the game.
Also a snare would be almost exactly as bad. They would simply kite a liiiiiittle more than they already do.
Tanglers are a speedwarp --- everyone hated speedwarps <on live> but everyone had them <on live>; the fact that only one realm has them here is a mistake ....
The problem is tanglers existed long before speedwarps. Tanglers aren't speedwarps, speedwarps are tanglers. This subtle difference, to me at least, is the reason they exist and are not a mistake. Does every realm have celerity? No. Does that mean celerity is a mistake? Also no. I could continue to talk in circles about realm balance but I get the feeling you're someone who wants every realm to have every ability every other realm has. One realm having tanglers is not game-breaking, especially now after they've been adjusted.
I do not and have not ever played an animist on any iteration of DAoC nor have I very seriously ever played hib even. They are an annoyance at worst, nothing more.
mattymc wrote: ↑Mon 16 Sep 2019 2:21 PMkiectred wrote: ↑Mon 16 Sep 2019 12:47 AMmattymc wrote: ↑Sat 14 Sep 2019 9:28 PMTanglers are a speedwarp --- everyone hated speedwarps <on live> but everyone had them <on live>; the fact that only one realm has them here is a mistake ....
The problem is tanglers existed long before speedwarps. Tanglers aren't speedwarps, speedwarps are tanglers. This subtle difference, to me at least, is the reason they exist and are not a mistake. Does every realm have celerity? No. Does that mean celerity is a mistake? Also no. I could continue to talk in circles about realm balance but I get the feeling you're someone who wants every realm to have every ability every other realm has. One realm having tanglers is not game-breaking, especially now after they've been adjusted.
I do not and have not ever played an animist on any iteration of DAoC nor have I very seriously ever played hib even. They are an annoyance at worst, nothing more.
Your gut would be terribly, terribly wrong.....the key to balance has always been the <legitimate> ability to counter an advantage ---- not everyone having the same skills. I think the adjustment was crapola, you don't -- fair enough. As to tanglers being game changers --- YOU don't think they are game changing, again fair enough -- I have played all realms and every toon in each realm, I dont share your opinion
kiectred wrote: ↑Mon 16 Sep 2019 2:55 PMmattymc wrote: ↑Mon 16 Sep 2019 2:21 PMkiectred wrote: ↑Mon 16 Sep 2019 12:47 AMThe problem is tanglers existed long before speedwarps. Tanglers aren't speedwarps, speedwarps are tanglers. This subtle difference, to me at least, is the reason they exist and are not a mistake. Does every realm have celerity? No. Does that mean celerity is a mistake? Also no. I could continue to talk in circles about realm balance but I get the feeling you're someone who wants every realm to have every ability every other realm has. One realm having tanglers is not game-breaking, especially now after they've been adjusted.
I do not and have not ever played an animist on any iteration of DAoC nor have I very seriously ever played hib even. They are an annoyance at worst, nothing more.
Your gut would be terribly, terribly wrong.....the key to balance has always been the <legitimate> ability to counter an advantage ---- not everyone having the same skills. I think the adjustment was crapola, you don't -- fair enough. As to tanglers being game changers --- YOU don't think they are game changing, again fair enough -- I have played all realms and every toon in each realm, I dont share your opinion
I'm glad you had the opportunity to repeat yourself.
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