Going Slash Briton instead of Thrust Saracen on an Infil just gimps you when fighting other assassins

Other than for the looks, there is no reason to be a Slash Briton. The Armor Resist Table nerf (from +/-10% to +/-5%) made the Slash Briton obsolete in assassins fights. The advantages of slash become non-existent when you get diseased by another assassin... and even without disease, the advantage is questionable.

Assumptions for the analysis:
Item stats: +75
Buff Pot Dex/stre: +83
Buff Pot Qui: +50
Disease Poison De-buff: -35 Stre
Starting Points for Saracen: +10 Dex / +15 Qui
Starting Points for Briton: +10 Stre / +15 Qui

Saracen Thrust:
Stre: 223
Dex: 293
Base Weapon Dmg: 258 (no disease)
Base Weapon Dmg: 241 (diseased)

Briton Slash:
Stre: 243
Dex: 263
Base Weapon Dmg: 243 (no disease)
Base Weapon Dmg: 208 (diseased)

Before the resist nerf, fighting a SB as a Slash Briton would net you 35 more base weapon damage in comparison to a Thrust Saracen. In the other hand, fighting a NS as a Thrust Saracen would net you 39 more base weapon damage in comparison to a Slash Briton.

After the resist nerf, as a Slash Briton you only get a +10 base weapon damage vs SB when comparted to a Saracen Thrust. A Saracen Thrust would get +27 base weapon damage against NS when compared to a Slash Briton. The difference is starting to show, right?

Now, when another assassin diseases you (which they will), you lose 35 strength. Hmm, now instead of +10/-27 (on a Slash Briton vs SB/NS), you get -10/-43. when compared to a Thrust Saracen. In other words, a Thrust Saracen has more Weapon Base Damage against a SB when diseased than a Slash Briton (BTW -a SB is resistant to Thrust and Vulnerable against Slash). HMM!

Before the nerf, you would still get an advantage against SB as a Slash Briton even while diseased. Now is just not the case.
So, other than "for the cool factor" what reason is there to go Briton/Slash on an infil when most of the time you fight other assassins. Even when fighting other classes without disease, there is no clear advantage going slash Briton over thrust Saracen with the Armor Resist Table nerf.

Re: Going Slash Briton instead of Thrust Saracen on an Infil just gimps you when fighting other assassins

What are primary/secondary/tertiary stats for a infil?
If strength is primary you are minimizing the benefits or this stat increasing more than dex by picking thrust which halves its impact.

Well I guess it’s dex/quick/str
So forget about above

I would think Saracen would be better thrust
Although you lose dex you gain some defense and 25 points in stats toward weapon type

Re: Going Slash Briton instead of Thrust Saracen on an Infil just gimps you when fighting other assassins

Irkeno wrote:
Fri 23 Apr 2021 12:41 AM
Briton slash still does better vs Sbs.

But honesty it doesnt matter, although seemingly the top tier all went Briton.

Dandare Briton Slash and thrust intermittently.

Bellelle went Briton thrust.

Savrun Briton Slash / Thrust

Mcnasty too. He also made a few comparison vids they might help you.

Go figure 😄

A Briton Slash infil will not perform better than a Thrust Saracen against a SB as long as the SB use disease poison and it doesn’t get purged. Oh, and all sins use disease.
I did the math... it’s because disease debuff strength and +5% from the table resist table is not high enough to make up for it.

It doesn’t matter if the top tier wants to play with a handicap against other assassins... if they change to Saracen thrust they will perform better.

Re: Going Slash Briton instead of Thrust Saracen on an Infil just gimps you when fighting other assassins

Breton or Saracen for me is indifferent if you choose to go thrust, I made it Breton because I can always change to slash if need w/o a race respec.
I'm not play slash from 1 year and half but I always found slash better vs sb, and better damage than thrust. But I prefer thrust for the style utility and for direct stun.
I think Inconnu and saracen are nice too if you choose thrust, but Breton work good anyway
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Re: Going Slash Briton instead of Thrust Saracen on an Infil just gimps you when fighting other assassins

Hangel wrote:
Fri 23 Apr 2021 11:40 AM
I'm not play slash from 1 year and half but I always found slash better vs sb, and better damage than thrust.
That was probably before the armor resist table nerf. Currently, a thrust Saracen infil will do more dmg to a SB than a Slash Briton as long as the SB diseases you. So there is no reason to go Briton if you are min/max’ing.

If they remove the strength debuff portion of the disease poison, then the slash Briton will become relevant again.